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Hello everyone and welcome to the real CommanderCast Episode 283! We’re your weekly source for Community, Strategy, and Technology, hosted on and our homesite:! This week Mark and Adam discuss the recent unbanning of a certain Hulk based card. For those of you in the know, Protean Hulk has recently returned to Commander tables world wide and that got the guys thinking of other degenerate cards. Plus there’s some… Grave discussion near the end.

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CommanderCast Episode 283

Posted: May 15, 2017








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Discuss Haye’s “How to Protean Hulk” article and “degenerate combo enablers” in general.


Other enablers:




How to stop graveyard combo/Best ways to hate out graveyards

Be proactive with exile effects


Mass grave hate


Targeted grave hate






Protect Ya Neck!

The best tech to protect your graveyard


Big o’ List of “You Have Hexproof/Shroud” cards:

Witchbane orb/Aegis of the Gods/Leyline of Sanctity/Orbs of Warding/Spirit of the Hearth, Solitary confinement/True believer/Ivory mask/Imperial mask/Sigarda, heron’s grace


Elixir of immortality/feldon’s cane

[card]Psychic spiral[/card]

Pull from eternity






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  • Daniel Schwartz

    Seems [[kalitas traitor of ghet]] got over looked as he does things very similar to anafenza plus zombies

    • Mark Mahler

      Great pick, Daniel! We totally forgot about that guy and it’s awesome anti-Hulk tech. We goofed, but thanks picking up the ball on this one.

      I keep meaning to buy a copy of traitor Kalitas, but my stingy old man ways prevent me from spending the $17-$18 on that he’s currently going for. Plus, I still haven’t decided if I’d build a deck around him or stick him in the 99 of my Gisa zombies deck.

  • Jeremy Parsons

    Similar to Rest in Piece is the card Planar Voi (you do mention Leyline of the Void, but it’s not targeted either.) It doesn’t exile the graveyard first, but any new cards get exiled. Be careful though, RIP, Planar Void, and Leyline of the Void themselves are also combo pieces with Helm of Obedience. This combo is among the most out of spirit card interactions that I know of in the game. 🙁

    Another strong omission is Stonecloaker. Single target removal, but flash, and can save another of your creatures too, or just bounce itself to nail more targets.

    I did see a game with Riftsweeper where a player managed to retrieve and ended up finding and replaying their Seedborn Muse 3-4 times over the course of the game. And the concept of giving yourself Hexproof to dodge some graveyard hate is pretty sweet.

    Why should you run Graveyard hate? I think all of my decks use it in some fashion. Some more than others. But even the R/W Boros Gisella deck and the Temur Intet deck can do rude things with their graveyards late game if given a chance.

    My deck with the heaviest graveyard use is Vorosh. Primarilly because of Lifeline and Meren. And due the the use of Lifeline I tend to lean my removal towards exile effects. Duplicant, Phyrexian Ingester. But also Mimeoplasm, as an excellent way to use my opponent’s graveyards and exile two of the worse things I can find.

    • Mark Mahler

      Damn it! I can’t believe I missed Stonecloaker! What am I doing with my life…

      Thanks for the sweet pick, Jeremy. Stonecloaker really is the Swiss Army Knife of Commander.

  • Dylan Wolf

    Guys, seriously, where is a functioning RSS feed? doesn’t have it, Commander Society doesn’t have it, and the iTunes/MTGCast feed hasn’t updated in over 6 months. This site’s feed is current, but only goes back to episode 278. I just want to listen to and catch up with you guys, and my podcast app doesn’t have a way to subscribe. Yes, I’ve pretty much asked you guys in like 5 different places about this, but there hasn’t been a fix yet. Is it that hard to have a feed that updates with each new episode?

    • Mark Mahler

      Dylan, I can totally understand why you’re pissed and all I can say is that I’m working on it.

  • Kinghonkey

    My favorite anti-graveyard tech is Suffer the Past. It works very well and is everything you want to be doing in black. It’s instant speed graveyard removal that drains life and adds to your own. The only way it might be better is if it could target more than one graveyard.

    As far as degenerate combo engines, there’s a couple other generals that fit the bill. I have never seen a fair usage of Sharuum or Ghave. I’ve built both generals and had to search through the decks to try and remove any infinite combos I had left in on accident, and I _still_ found some in-game.

    Also, Cloudstone Curio and Paradox Engine are always up to no good.