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Hello everyone and welcome to CommanderCast Episode 372! This week Mark and Adam are are going mad with a discussion on playing with madness in Commander! but first, the guys have a quick community talk about what in the world is Vanguard. Plus some crazy talk about identity theft?

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CommanderCast Episode 372

Posted: August 19, 2019








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Once upon a time, Vanguard was a thing.


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Madness strategies


702.34. Madness

  • 702.34a Madness is a keyword that represents two abilities. The first is a static ability that functions while the card with madness is in a player’s hand. The second is a triggered ability that functions when the first ability is applied. “Madness [cost]” means “If a player would discard this card, that player discards it, but exiles it instead of putting it into their graveyard” and “When this card is exiled this way, its owner may cast it by paying [cost] rather than paying its mana cost. If that player doesn’t, they put this card into their graveyard.”
  • 702.34b Casting a spell using its madness ability follows the rules for paying alternative costs in rules 601.2b and 601.2f–h.
  • 702.34c After resolving a madness triggered ability, if the exiled card wasn’t cast and was moved to a public zone, effects referencing the discarded card can find that card. See rule 400.7i.



  • Cheat casting costs/some timing restrictions
  • Additional value from discarding your cards
  • Fuels Hellbent strats? (these don’t actually exist)



  • Needs a discard outlet
  • Card neutral (?)




Madness-friendly Commanders





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